MIND BLOWING AND SHOCKING ABUSE REVEALED ON THE HIVE BLOCKCHAIN
I must preface the rest of this shocking information by clearly stating this is not about me, I just happen to be one of their many targets they abuse. This post is about the consistent wrong doings and destruction of the Hive platform that so many of us hold in high regard; and to share my experience to shed light on the situation at large.
After nearly three months of sitting back and watching @hivewatchers and their associated accounts destroy my blog for reasons that don't even fit their criteria, (see post here here for more info on that) and going against the recommendations of the community (see comments below); I've decided to engage them once again on their discord server and here is how it went. (screen shots from their discord server)
I started by politely asking them to stop down voting me through said accounts.
I'm immediately harassed by two people in @hivewatchers discord chat-room. One of which attacks my race and ethnicity for no apparent reason. Hivewatchers says or does nothing about this blatant Racism. I'm left to assume this is acceptable behavior for @hivewatchers.
After walking away from nasty racist harassment, @hivewatchers finally responds, referencing a line I used to defend myself from the harassers which is 100% true, just look at what they did to @gringalicious and her entire family running off near half a million market cap there alone, and that's just the start of what I know behind the scenes and all I can mention due to promises of privacy from others. Here is their response.
This part I find incredibly illogical. They highlight a true statement from @lichtblick of how my posts on steemit are good for steemit! Yet the exact same post on hive is spam and bad for hive! I'd really like to know how they make sense of that.
Then they briefly wrap it up explaining that five years of other people's opinions via up-votes and positive comments does not mean anything and that I should have been well aware that I more or less suck; a complete insult to hundreds of people who have supported my work over the years and those who chose to continue to do so to this day. Meanwhile they never address the blatant racism directed towards me on their server.
Here is my response.
And that's it! No further response from them other than sweeping through my blog to down vote it more. They've done so much damage to my blog over the past few months that many of my friends and followers here are just totally baffled. I have never once received a comment supporting their actions other than from their tiny inner circle. Before I go any further I'd to thank all those who have taken the time to review what is going on and understand that's it's been a terribly upsetting time for me after growing very attached to my blog with my face all over it.
My debt to the community is to expose the destruction not to me personally but the platform at large. As they may very well be the top abusers running large sums of money and people off the platform and that's not even talking about would be investment and new members. I sincerely know this to be a fact. Is this to satisfy a power tripping sadistic ego? Not sure, but I do know it is damaging and wrong.
As mentioned above here is a list of publicly made comments to my blog over the past few months in regards to their actions. (all screen shots from my blog)
As you can see @hivewatchers has absolutely zero respect for the opinions of any of these prominent members of the Hive community.
Below are screen shots of just some of the comments from my blog posts over the past couple months since this has happened. I've received far less comments than I used to due to the degradation of my account via @hivewatchers relentless downvotes. Meaning, before all this I used to receive far more complimentary comments.....and @hivewatchers wonders why I had no idea that my blog sucked and my posts were "spam".
Again, as you can see @hivewatchers has absolutely zero respect for the opinions of any of these members of the Hive community either; while referring to me as a "scammer".
The only conclusion I can make is that in communist dictator fashion they hate successful consistent bloggers who've built a following through hard work and dedication; refer to them as "farmers" and "milkers" then seek and destroy while using the equivalent of a traffic violation to justify their actions.
This is exactly what they did to another veteran and top food blogger of the platform @gringalicious and who knows how many others. Again running her, her entire family, and their large investment off the platform; for what any of you would consider a minor offense.
Further more, I've watched how they talk to and treat people in their discord appeals room for a while now. They talk to everyone like they are totally righteous, like their shit doesn't stink, and that you are guilty of murder until proven innocent. Then this bizarre onslaught of racist trolls chime in to add insult to injury. It's beyond disgusting. Further more they make people gravel and degrade themselves publicly to get removed from their blacklist. Like this poor Indonesian man just trying to make a few extra bucks to feed his three children. Looks like more racism to me....
Sadly making people humiliate and degrade themselves publicly is a common practice by @hivewatchers. This photo was taken from his blog post, so photo credit @ridwant. You can click here to see his highly disturbing post and see what they've been putting him through, for the crime of not giving a proper photo credit to a picture of a cat from 10 months ago!
Their appeals chat room looks to be loaded with people of an ethnic minority based on western standards. Just totally disgusting. Then if they complain too much and don't immediately gravel and lick their boots, they banish them to "time out". It's just unbelievably childish, racist, and sick. Lets be real, we are talking about some seriously mean-spirited and sadistic people. Just look at the dark imagery on their logos. Is this how we attract investment and newcomers to Hive? Witnesses, is this what you want as your friendly neighborhood hive policeman?
Here are the profile photos of three of their downvoters in order from left to right @azircon @guiltyparties, @spaminator. Their other downvoters do not have profile photos but their names should be known @steemcleaners, @adm. These accounts are extremely well funded and of course they keep it private as to who they are and who is funding them. Meanwhile I've had my real face all over my blog for five years. (again, Photo credit to these four images in order above @hivewatchers below @azircon, @guiltyparties, @spaminator). Very dark imagery and fits the bill perfectly.
A couple of these accounts may respond to this post saying they are not part of @hivewatchers but they clearly work together and are part of the club. It's really amazing how they fly under the radar as basically plagiarism detectives. I'm sure these accounts will respond attacking me and spin spin spin reality. But it's all laid out for you in this post, from a respected five year content creator many of you have gotten to know on a personal level over the years. Meanwhile they are totally anonymous except to a small few funding this sick behavior.
Now if all this is not disturbing and disgusting enough; it's been brought to my attention that these accounts are riddled with suspicious transactions. Small amounts and large amounts of money constantly coming and going especially from the @hivewatchers account. I personally am not a financial investigator and have no way of knowing if these transaction are legit or not, but it looks like there may be some sort of set up where the more they punish and abuse the more money they make, which would clearly explain their "over policing" ....again this is just speculation.
With characters and behavior presented in this post I would not put it past them at all. Maybe a commission every time they find a cat photo of ten months ago with no credit attached. Maybe they are blacklisting people then extorting money out of them to be released from their hivewatchers prison. I have no way to prove this nor the know-how, but I would highly suggest someone with the ability to investigate these said accounts do so from top to bottom. When things simply don't make sense on the surface, they say "follow the money" and that is exactly what should be done. Who is watching the watchers?
In conclusion the Hive Social Media Blogging Platform or any social media platform has a very limited future if this kind of behavior is allowed to go on. That is why it's a no brainer for me to remove my once 20,000 + hive from the platform and invest it elsewhere after experiencing such unfair treatment first hand.
Never in my wildest dreams would I think I'd be recommending people to stay away from Hive, and I am not; unless there is a complete failure from the witnesses to step up and to do something about this unbelievable abuse of power. Sadly I don't have much faith anything will be done, as those in the top 20 witness position would not want to rock the boat and put their cozy earnings at risk. Hopefully they realize the boat has already been rocked, and inaction will tell you everything you need to know.
Prominent members of the community and personal friends I've made here over the years are being tagged to bring awareness of this heinous abuse, racist mistreatment of others, potential financial corruption, and ongoing damage to the Hive Blockchain.
I love all these proposals and funds moving into different projects but are there measures that these funds are actually being used and in line with the approved proposals?
Good question
Hmmmm... I must look in this 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 ....
Well, is there anything being done about this blatent damage and misstreatment of others, which has zero to do with me. You just don't put dark sadistic people in charge of policing anything. Where is the common sense here?
I said this many times in the past that we need to stop hivewathcers as it is. @guiltyparties always defends Logic, the person doing all this mess and it goes on and on and on.
If anyone wants to stop scammers and other shit, please create another service with someone else in charge. Hivewatchers have clearly done more damage to the honest community members. This is not acceptable.
Edit: I don't care about this post or any other post that got downvoted. I simply don't agree with the process of how things work with hivewatchers. Every single user on hive has been here for farming rewards in some way. Even hivewatchers used to vote their own comments and farm rewards in that way. The action is the same, it doesn't matter why it was done. But it doesn't give enough reason to treat every single user like a piece of shit.
The big stakes won't stop funding them.
"it doesn't give enough reason to treat every single user like a piece of shit."
Thank you for bringing some common sense to the table.
To me it's clear they get off on their power, it's sadistic, obvious, and so so damaging to hive. It really takes a special kind of screwed up to live day to day bullying and embroiled in negativity and conflict. People with such a mental illness should not be put in this kind of position.
OMG....I just saw that @Acidyo just gave me a full downvote. Then I see @logic just up-voted his post. Talk about a hive mind. This place is divided and as political as F__k. The sadistic negative people stick together like glue. Then there is everyone else. Smartest thing I ever did was avoid conflict for four and half years. Who needs this shit?
Consider this post the Travel Pro Funeral. hahahah Going out with a bang!
You've been milking autovotes in forever with repetitive content and images from the same place over many posts. Try and act all innocent and ignorant all you want but that doesn't change your past or why many communities have decided to mute you from posting into them.
They muted me after the downvote onslaught by @hivewatchers, not before. Duhhh. Wonder why? Must not have looked good. My post have been more than fine. See the comments and support. So what should be my reprecussion for posting as a hobby 7 out of 10 quality posts?
"Here at Hive we only accept 10 out of 10 quality post where you spend 5 hrs on each post or your black listed" I imagine you saying some dumb bullshit like this.
Let the market decide. I have people who like me, and my work, and personality, and communication as one thing combined. And I'm sure you have yours. Let the market decide and stop chasing people and money off the platform. Another brilliant business man here. F--ing dumb.
Nanany Booboo Stick Your Head in Poo Poo.....I'm sure you're a bigger "milker" than me. Get over it.
Many curators have complained over your shit in forever, just telling you what I know, haven't really spent the time to analyze your posting myself but okay. Good riddance.
It never reached my ears cause you all communicate like shit.
As a casual observer of all things happening now, I must say this:
...was a prime example of shitty communication.
really i have seen it really often last days
Hey. Sorry to interrupt again. I just noticed your photos don't show up on PeakD, most likely due to being muted within a particular community.
Now, I realize you want to get all snappy and be sassy but before you do that, I'd just like you to know, about a week ago I read a post highlighting the likely reason as to why you were muted. And it wasn't because of the downvotes or you looking bad due to downvotes. It was due to your behavior. Words like "prolific spammer" were used. A lot of people saw that post, but you weren't mentioned directly. I didn't know it was about you at that time. I've simply been studying your case since you brought it to light, put two and two together, got four.
Just thought you should know. I'm discovering there are quite a few things you're in control of changing in order to better your experience here but you need to acknowledge those mistakes first then move forward and on with your life.
There's no need to self-destruct over being inconvenienced when it appears as if the ball has been in your park the entire time.
In the end, it's up to you, I guess. Your posts look like crap now, the pictures don't show up everywhere, and that's your fault. So I'm 100% sure you can be at fault for finding solutions and fixing your problems as well.
Signed: "Scary monster" that's just trying to help.
You are spot on @mahdiyari. Hivewatchers is the devil. They re probably absorbing all this negative energy and division they've created here and getting high on it.
Are you feeling high on division or your contribution to maintaining division?
Much of this was the result of a legacy system from years ago and has been dismantled, also years ago. Users are in their absolute right to upvote their own content. The topic here is why some users think they should be allowed to recycle content, which is a type of fraud as it tricks readers and curators into thinking that the content is new, while all other content creators are working hard to create fresh content for our 7-day monetization window. This post wouldn't exist if there was a case of an honest community member.
Maybe there's some aspect that I don't understand as I'm fairly new to this community, but what if the readers and curators don't mind that the content is also being posted on multiple platforms?
If that was the issue then it would make more sense to just make people aware that the content is not exclusive to Hive and let the reader decide whether they still want to upvote it rather than making the decision for them by canceling out all of their votes.
There's no issue in posting to multiple platforms. Hive isn't in the business of restricting anyone on where else they can share their content. That's never been the issue at all and it's perfectly ok to have your content here and let's say on Reddit. The topic at hand here is that Hive has a 7-day monetization timer. Once that content is monetized, it's done. Content creators all know this (it's a basic function of Hive) and strive to have fresh content for their fans. When they see someone cheating the system by reposting, they report that account.
Is the issue that it's old content that was posted on a different platform a long time ago? I just just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
Regardless of this specific situation, I think the bigger issue is massive downvoting and blacklisting in general. It makes me really concerned about how easy it would be for bad actors to take similar actions. If Hive grows big enough then governments, corporations, and other organizations will surely use similar methods to centralize power and suppress dissenting voices.
No, it was posted right here. In regards to massive downvoting/blacklisting is in general no one on Hive would support or condone anything where a bad actor can just arbitrary decide. The chain also doesn't allow for censorship, it just doesn't. Anyone can add whatever content they wish to the blocks. We're currently looking forward to some big projects connecting and being built on Hive. Not going to spill the beans but there's some awesome stuff coming in the future.
Maybe you should start with reforming your abusive unjust police tactics? SPIN DOCTOR
I think of the whole downvote drama as rewards disagreement. Just as anyone is free to upvote content they support, so should anyone with stake downvote content they don't support as a consequence of freedom. Regarding censorship, people can still access what is posted on the backend even if the frontends don't display them and they can still get searched on google crawlers. I searched for those users that have negative reps way down the negative and their content can still be visible.
No one can deplatform you on Hive, you just don't get the social rewards of the 1st layer for the downvotes. But the second layer is another option where some tribes have a frontend that enables you to share your content and have it visible.
👆 @jordand89 This is a very good point and one that I have been bringingUP now for about a year. It seems that people here do not want to think about the grater ramifications of continuing to implement Hive Integrity in the current undeveloped way. We need a Downvote but we need a Downvote that is INTELLIGENT and makes use of code so as to preserve the resistibility to central bad actors. Marketing Hive as a complete social tokenized solution will always be a hard sell to freedom minded investors until the finer points (like the one you have broughtUP here) are addressed and innovated.
Hi @jordan89,
Here's some of my initial thoughts about the re-use of prior content as a body of work. The problem with @guiltyparties rational here is that he is making this issue a black or white one. Clearly there is a line between outright SPAM of this nature... and the artistic process.
I think that this needs to be broughtUP as it isn't so cut and dry after all.
Here's my official comment on the idea that one should NEVER make use of their older content.
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/re-leaky20-r71uw8
@world-travel-pro and @ura-soul you might also be interested in the differentiation I am bringing to this topic. I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this aspect of the discussion.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Hive and Steem are based on anarcho principles and to me, that means 'let the market decide' when it comes to economic systems. In that sense, I don't find it really natural or healthy for groups to be imposing their own rules on the free flow of economic activity. Actually, this kind of thing seems to always follow the same patterns/results - which mirror government/corporate control. There really is only 'anarchy' and 'not anarchy' - with staying in anarchy being somewhat of a challenge. It would be so great if the community agreed on things like this and decided to aim to stick more to anarchy - even just as an experiment. This doesn't mean the reward pool is totally open for abuse - if anything it means more engagement from a decentralised community who use their own downvotes in a manual way to address problems in realtime. Automation can be agreed upon, perhaps based on transparent smart contracts to remove totally blatant spam, or maybe not.
The other issues is the decentralisation of the token itself. Originally, Steem had a plan to decentralise the tokens as they saw this as necessary for Steem to meet it's destiny as a decentralised system. Then stupid crap happened and they never delivered on their claimed vision (maybe it was a lie all along). Anyway, we don't seem to have a real vision regarding the decentralisation of the token at the moment and the net result of that is that the biggest holders simply do whatever they can (within the PR vision they create for themself to justify their actions) to try to not let the token precipitate outwards.
We have, on the one hand, Marky complaining that there aren't enough (subjectively) good posts to upvote so he then upvotes software projects instead that can help Hive.. but at the same time we have many people complaining and leaving because they feel abused by the heavy downvoting and lack of respect/coherence in that process. The two things are connected - a lack of 'good' posts to upvote is due to a lack of people wanting to invest time into a system that is overly centralised and overly able to create feelings of disempowerment in content creators who feel they have an ever growing range of options online and don't really feel a need to get stuck in the Hive box.
Tech systems are human systems before they are tech systems, so a failure to respect and empathise with the humans involved in such a social system will always lead to system failure eventually. We need a shared vision among key stakeholders that respects personal will. We lack that currently.
SPINN DOCTOR says it's ok to post on Reddit and Hive but steers the conversation away from Steemit and Hive.
Reality is it's ok to post on Steemit and Hive until you become their target of abuse, then when you expose them like I have they, they scramble for any justification for their heinous actions including he's posting on our main competitors site too! waaaaaaa. Price is triple Steem. Go celebrate.
Oh, I forgot their addicted to negativity.
No one cares about who posts what on Steemit. I and many others do not log in or look at Steemit. We have Hive which we do use.
SPIN DOCTOR at it again.
Tell me where I broke your said given rules.
"Reposting the same content without additional original content or significant changes"
Show me a post that does not have atleast 10 new photos. I NEVER "Reposted" and even if I did. This is the repercussion? SICK. This is how @hivewatchers hands out the death penalty for technically no offense....to get rid of bloggers they don't want here. How did I trick anyone? If all my content has new photos? SPINN DOCTOR. You treat people like shit. Shame on you all.
Wow, it really smells like shit in here doesn't it? Breath it in nice and deeply. Now wait for it....there's more.
When you're calm come talk to me on Discord and we'll start the appeal process. No matter how many posts you put up, everyone is treated equally.
@guiltyparties is this the hive equivalent of a domestic incident? Have you and logic broken up?
No we're still happily married.
How does he feel about “Walden?” Does he know?
That relationship could never be.
That litterally made me laugh out load. Guilty party member SPIN DOCTOR. The appeals procees part or everyone being trated equally, not sure which is funnier. Your whole crew is front page news. And that is what is most important now, from just a moral perspective alone. Trying to get me behind closed door again, are you? No surprise there. Lets start the appeala process in my next post... wait for it. It s about to get much worse for you all.
Trying to help you. Hard to do that if you can't have a rational conversation.
What are you gonna do, restore my public reputation? Make things go back to "normal" for me. You sucked me into your rotten game and rotten politics? Something I've avoided forever cause it's obvious once you get that stench on you, there is no getting it off. Just ask Anti-white racist erotic squid or whatever you she calls herself. Meanwhile you call it..."trying to help me"
I'm starting to believe you've got an upside down cross hanging from your neck at this very moment. Totally reverse everything this group. Help is harm, up is down, left is right. Rational is irrational. I've never interacted with such fucked up people like your group. The fox is fully guarding the hen house on this platform. Unbelievable they put most likely satanic sadist in charge of policing the platform. How is your online dungeon of ethnic minorities your currently mentally torturing?
The expose, continues at a time of my liking. The good people of this platform must be made of aware, all else will be bag holders for your next price dump.
It's not too late for anyone. You did this to yourself. You destroyed the trust you once had with the community. You eroded the trust you built up due to your own recycling. You can move forward and set everything straight or you can complain, demand special treatment and just keep going as you are.
You are not the spokesperson for any "ethnic minorities" as you call them. Those people you refer to so callously are our fellow community members. We are all equal on this planet.
You re a backwards POS. Anyone falling for your BS deserves it at this point. Actions speak louder than words and it s well known you all sadistically get off on playing HIVE s judge, jury, and executionar. When you derive satisfaction from chopping peoples heads off no questions asked why would you be fair to anyone? Now go present me right here links to duplicate reposts post with identical sets of photos. Other than the flash back post witch was to get conversation going about masks in the new/old norm which had new subject context completley and then we ll talk on discord, privately behind the scenes like you prefer ;) same place you wouldnt give me or anyone the time of day. You two faced piece of shit.
Wait a second, @wil.metcalfe - aren't you the same person who downvoted a couple of people a few months back because, "One comment was someone bullying another user and the other was someone celebrating how they were one of the mean people on the blockchain"? Now you're using your @comet.ranker service to upvote comments like this one, calling someone a piece of shit? So much for all your arguments that everything you do is about trying to make Hive a friendly place. 🙄
Can't expect him to have integrity on his voting choices, same guy that wants transparency on chain but invites someone to compare notes on discord and can't be assed to take on the @gleam-of-light issue.
You haven’t shown me any respect and why should I suddenly be answering to your inquiry’s about someone else’s account?
I happen to be extremely busy these days doing the things that need to be done to move the needle… And so I operate on MY timeline (not yours).
I don’t appreciate you attempting to pick me apart behind my back like this.
As for votes… this is my stake. I do with it as I deem to be best for our Layer 0 and for reasons I don’t have to explain to those attempting to pick me apart at every step of the way. (For a more insightful response about this please just read my comment to Tracy. There’s no point in my repeating myself here.)
Do I do this with you? Do I nit pick everything you do in this blockchain?
No I do not and so I would ask the same curtesy.
If you want to know immediately what @hiro-hive is thinking please go ahead and ask him yourself and I will do the same on my own timeframe.
You have the time to indulge into this comment and overall recent drama. You are busy alright. Hiro doesn't see a need to explain anything. He made that point when I tagged him on previous occasions about it and guessing he would prefer it forgotten it happened. I'm just finding it funny that you'd quickly react to his defense, go along the lack of transparency speech and then backed off when you stepped on a land mine about a group being pushed for their belief system when they are and have been downvoting others for the exact freedom of speech they want to have.
As do everyone else who has stake and upvote or downvote the hell they want be it an individual or a group of just two to three people that have access to stake. In the grand scheme of things, HW is small organization exaggerated by the people that reeeee at reverse upvotes.
Think what you may. I do have intention of speaking with him (preferably publicly) but that is really UP to him. I can not force an answer from anyone especially a public one.
As for land mines… I didn’t see any and am I am unaffected by those sorts of clique games. So again… think what you may.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
And by the way… with regards to how I choose to use Discord. With matters of Hive integrity (like that of HiveWatchers) transparency (on the blockchain) should be a requirement. Two individuals having a private conversation… that is a different thing altogether. Not EVERY private conversation needs to be had out in the open… especially with the number of unfriendly s lurking around here on the blockchain. Again… matters of Hive integrity are a different matter altogether. Why do I even have to explain this to you? It’s common sense.
Common sense is the genius of humanity.
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
I literally DV’ed 2 times… and you won’t let that go will you Tracy.
As for heated conversation… I am not apposed to it especially when it’s 1 person against a whole bunch of people. I seek to understand and that is why I have read the entirety of every comment on this post and every post that I target with @Comet.Ranker.
When it comes to human interaction none of it is often completely black or completely white. In that regard I am a relativist. Life isn’t so much about rights and wrongs but more so it is about pros and cons.
I don’t answer to anyone as to why I Comment Rank the way that I do and the reasons I choose to support certain comments are usually within the wider context of all the comments within a post as I see them.
I have, if you look way down at the bottom of the comment section, directly spoken to the hostility and defensive nature of some of the comments by the author of this post. I have a pretty wide view on what is and has taken place within the context of this post and it’s engagement. So naturally I took it upon myself to give him some feedback about the tone in which he is making his argument. (Many of the words show how fedUP he is and actually weaken his case.)
Sometimes a comment will be ranked for a lot of reasons that are not immediately apparent unless you take the time to read every single comment in the post Other times I feel that a comment is, perhaps 75% on point and 25% off point. Then, as well, there could also be another reason entirely for ranking a comment.
This is my call and I do my best to rank without bias even people I have previously hand less than positive communications with.
That’s the jist of it… but that’s all I am going to say on this matter as I feel that you are “are at it again” looking for ways to throw negativity my way.
Take care Tracy and thank you for checking in.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
P.S. Going forward, if you could please save your judgments for yourself… that would be very much appreciated. I know that you continue to pop UP here and there and that your intent is to try and discredit me and my efforts to encourage as well as positively direct engagement towards better and more wholesome outcomes on the blockchain. I am growing tired of your attempts to libel and pick me and what I do apart. I don’t have you under the microscope like this… I wonder what would happen if I started to pay more attention to what you are doing on this blockchain. I wonder what things I would be able to find? But in the end… I have no desire to play this sort of game and so I would ask that you please drop these antics.
Thank you kindly.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
-Mahatma Gandhi
A powerful man eats only enough rice to sate. The rest he serves to his dogs.
But do the dogs like the dog food. I think that is the question here...
That is the choice of the dogs. To choose is to be free.
It’s all about what you accept and what you plainly do not. I do think that many people do not want to speak openly about what they think… an over hanging DV could have something to do with this. Freedom is easier or harder depending on the social environment. Here I think that more and more people are self-censoring themselves. We all need to start asking the right questions and be more vocal about the underlying reasons for this… especially if we truly are a freedom centric blockchain.
If people truly want freedom they should set themselves free of their monetary thirst. Anyone can say anything they like but they have to look at themselves as to why they may not speak.
In direct opposition to that, where there is a monetary concern people suffer from the opposite affliction that being that they will say what they think people will want to be heard in order to be rewarded. It is a pendulum
Unfortunately, f you care about the money you will always have a master.
And therein is the problem. Money is a cruel task master… if one works for money one will always be its slave. If, however, one uses money (as the tool it is) then one can make money their servant… but in order to do so one must master one’s self. Being a slave or living free is all to do with the mind and spirit of man… more so than the medium of exchange and the implementation of value communication.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
This is a Hive matter. That is why any differences of understanding should take place here where all Hive owners have a chance to evaluate both sides. Appealing to a 3rd party off chain makes absolute zero sense and actually is instrumental in perpetuating the abuse of those policing Hive at the moment. I have heard about the things that go on inside the @hivewatchers Discord... and let me tell you! THAT, as a service, needs to be reworked entirely.
No. Earning and farming are two very different things.
I agree 💯👍🏾 @tipu curate 4
Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 0/71) Liquid rewards.
100% agreed, still today this group of bullies are pushing projects off Hive while other chains offer funding & development support the whales and witnesses here mostly downvote and show jealousy only sabotaging Hive certainly not adding any value...
Not a fan of reposting. I know it's a controversial topic, but I'm on the side of not reposting stuff unless I can turn it into new content. You won't find sympathy from me.
Other than that, HiveWatchers is the most laughable "community" funded project in this space. They are the Hive equivalent to a real-life temporary solution that entrenched itself to be a permanent operation instead of users having more fully functional community features and moderation tools.
They are one of the epitomes of inconsistencies when it comes to catching and committing the same abuse. But hey, most people will tell you that they are necessary and more good than bad...lol
Looks like my reply button returned! Yay! How fast things changed. Maybe it's cause they haven't downvoted this yet. I have no idea about the tech side.
But you should be aware that my blog for a decent amount of time was primarily focused on photography. I always used between 8-12 NEW quality photos for each post. This is the part they don't want you to know.
Unbelievable, the auto spaminator downvote on my comment did not appear. Amazing! First time in almost 3 months! Wow!
Oh never mind. It's back. Must have been a delay.
Your reply button returned, because you posted outside the community where you are muted. The mute doesn't allow you to post comments.
Nothing to do with this pile of screenshots you just posted or downvotes. Educate yourself before you talk and manipulate your readers.
I really can't put time into educating myself on these details. I have a life to enjoy living. I wouldn't even know where to begin to find this information. So off with my head again. kidding. Thanks for enlightening me on that.
And yet you do have the time to write a long post about "details" you don't know about...
You are here for 5 years, right?
That says a lot about your commitment.
I've been here that long and had no idea about this either. Leaving sarcastic replies and attacking people isn't useful.
Is it useful to use wrong information in order to achieve specific effect on your readers and portray yourself as a victim?
I don't know anyone who knew this was the case about communities. I run my own community and am an Admin in another one. I guarntee if I ask the other admins about this they also won't know it.
So, the question should be, why is Hive and everything about it so convoluted to the point of where even people who are programmers and have a degree in Information Systems(me) don't know about it?
You're approaching this as if it's someone's fault for not reading every single Hive documentation and that they are stupid and ignorant if they don't. You realize how much time that would take to do that, let alone understand it all and remember it 100%? People need to read things multiple times even to retain 30% of it for a medium amount of time.
Maybe we should just all read every thing in Hive documentation every few months in the off chance we have to do a total memory recall on some obscure thing because someone might be sarcastic to us that we don't know it.
I bet I know a bunch of stuff about Hive you don't know, but I won't be sarcastic about it. It's totally an impractical way of thinking to assume that people on Hive, or any platform, know how it works. Nobody has time to get more than a extremely limited basic understanding of even how Facebook/Twitter works, let alone Hive a decentralized blockchain run by witnesses with staked power and many obscure and technically complex features.
This some kind of cult where I am expected to know everything now eh? I guess if I don't know something I can expect more sarcasm and unhelpfulness from certain people here, but then again, that says a lot about your "commitment" that you would clearly violate all tenens of Customer Service to "dunk" on someone with a sarcastic reply. That will really make people want to join Hive and not drive them away.
what a surprise, this 'helpful hive member' has all of their posts heavily upvoted by curangel.
Not all of her posts and I wouldn't call that heavily. Curangels voting CSI is on par with appreciator on the amount of unique authors they curate on a weekly basis with 4-5x less stake. Maybe this user's unique content is appreciated extra based on the amount of time they spend doing other things that give value to Hive than your regular world-travel-joe spinning his own articles and posting "how much do u think this apple costs in this location lol" without doing much else.
6 out of the 7 photo posts have been upvoted by curangel at over 10 hive per post. the posts are easily described as being equivalent to the many shitposts that are often heavily downvoted as part of circle jerks - where there are a few photos and a few lines of text. obviously this is all irrelevant though, because the upvoting and downvoting is all totally unbiased and based on solid logic that always serves Hive.
I'm pretty sure Hive wins if we're biased towards rewarding those who fight abuse, take time to curate new users and do other things than just mindlessly repost low effort content then throw a fit when they can't keep doing it and sell off.
https://peakd.com/contest/@world-travel-pro/travel-pro-price-is-right-game-440-toaster-oven-koh-phangan-thailand-play-and-win-hive-1636463465
wow, u guessed the price of this microwave, here's 2 hive, thanks for 50 hive post rewards, suckers!
I guess you'd need to speak to one of the Hive Vigilantes about that particular post too, since it was mostly upvoted by Marky Mark. Ultimately, Hive users don't get much say in who upvotes them, so penalising them for being upvoted is always going to be problematic.
Logic + integrity says: "don't upvote people that makes it look like you are participating in a circle jerk if you are claiming the high moral ground by downvoting people you say are doing the same thing". That kind of shit looks like classic mafia strategy that is used by dodgy corporations, politicians and actual mafia.. but hey, what do I know.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the differences between these two authors. I just followed ewkaw myself as I haven't had much with her to do in the past but I can with a quick glance tell that she does a lot more for Hive and in that way I can respect that people manually vote or autovote her content. Marky removed his autovotes from him eventually so that's good but apparently this user decided to up the reposting and lazy posting even more until hivewatchers got involved.
Just cause someone sees something wrong doesn't mean she can't speak up about it and instantly have people come in to attack her just to fit their own narrative. Getting voted by a curation project that votes on 500+ unique accounts per week doesn't really scream vote-trading/circlejerking to me.
as she is curangel curator - no surprise... a good teamwork, I suppose; and of course a great content.
steemcleaners do support her blog too.
Thank you so much for such a well thought out response.
Notice the ongoing theme here. I'm exposing it all!
(definition on good search)
Sadism- the tendency to derive pleasure, from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others.
And total lack of common sense or business sense.
Witnesses???? Hello????
Time to step up?
You've got a sadistic person with no common sense running HiveWatchers.
Don't less this become a platform for losers by losers.
Should this be a norm then?
I agree though that the information about what communities can do, or what are the effects of mute in a specific UI, should be presented better.
Nobody forces you, or world-travel-pro to read and memorize whitepaper. But if someone writes a post full of "facts" and start throwing stones, I guess it would be wise to learn what they write about in a first place and not just blindly assume things.
If you don't know - ask someone or DYOR and don't blame others for not knowing.
I bet you do. The difference is, I don't write about stuff I don't have a clue about.
I can agree with some parts of this.
I'm committed to what I enjoy. And that's been mostly socializing with people here and doing my blog. My sincere apologies.
Valid points. If you're willing to talk then I'm willing to talk.
I'm too mean, remember?
That's not it. We can't talk here but pick your chat if you're willing.
Make sure to remind him not be upset with all your abuse.
@brianphobos @for91days @foxkoit @mahdiyari
The user was blacklisted for a mass scam with hundreds of recycled posts. The activity that was going on for at least a year. Didn't create any new content, just plain copypasta of previous posts. He got angry that it was discovered and that he was blacklisted. Sadly, he farmed out thousands of US dollars worth of rewards by that time. The user never attempted to come to Discord to appeal. Instead went into a trolling campaign of Hivewatchers with an attitude of self-importance and entitlement. After a few weeks, a few days ago, showed up finally in Hivewatchers Discord with an attitude, trolling Hivewatchers with demands. It ended up with a permanent blacklist with no chance of appeal, and the posts started to be zeroed out.
The user has been also actively supporting Steemit and engaging with Steemit, every day.
The first time that this user was asked to stop recycled post-spam-farming was already a year ago on 10 February 2021.
https://peakd.com/hive-184437/@world-travel-pro/flash-back-to-the-old-norm-a-market-in-the-mekong-delta-can-tho-vietnam-2019-8-photos
Please explain to everyone that why only now that I've gone hugely public with your abuse you've decided to remove your auto spaminator downvote on each comment/post? Tell us about the reply button suddenly reappearing too please? That's like a magic trick to me.
Nope, spaminator downvote still there...just a delay or something????
Your magic trick explained in this comment
Also tell us about what there is to gain by having the Indonesian man holding up the sign and publicly humiliating himself?
How many other people have you made do this? We want to know. Thank you.
This is the appeal procedure that has been done since 5 years ago. If an appeal is granted. Some appellants receive extra steps in the appeal. This user was only asked to write an apology post.
You have no idea about Hivewatchers work and how things are working around Hive as you have been busy farming "free money" with spam posts, and busy engaging on Steemit.
Oh I have a real good idea of how @hivewatchers works. It's incredibly abusive and destructive. Just look around and see how nobody agrees with you and you call everyone who has a successful blog scammers. Totally sick. Look at all the comments in this post all disagreeing with how you handled things with me. You're a disgrace handing out capital punishment for minor offenses over and over again, because you get off on it. Where is the consent for this behavior in a "decentralized community". Who the hell lets you run wild like this?
Very good questions to be asking Dan. When Hive Integrity is at stake a high standard of accountability to the owners of this blockchain should be explicitly required by the community. I don't think that HOW @Hivewatchers conducts it's self has been fully examined and decided upon by the owners it say's it serves. More transparency, more accountability, and on chain delivery of those things should be a given.
Clearly @hivewatchers needs to be reformed or completely done away with as a failed attempt at Hive Integrity as it is now eroding the platforms marketability.
But of course... if you ask it's proponents! They will contradict as usual saying the same exact static things.
That's like asking the barber if you need a haircut.
Hang in there.
Many of us have been through what you are currently going through.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Stop trolling on someone's appeal that you have no understanding of, out of ignorance.
The user asked to be removed from the blacklist so he was asked to write an apology post. No other requirements for the blacklist removal were asked for.
The blacklist was related to selling rewards to a known scammer.
We never asked him to hold any signs to verify anything. The user did it without consulting with us.
Also, we never ask anyone to verify who they are by taking a photo while holding any sign because is never a valid form of verification.
BS, I don't buy it. Nobody would do that willingly. You treat people like shit and get off on it. It's obvious after watching your discord server for a while. No problem with racist comments. Nothing.
Sorry! Mr. @world-travel-pro ! actually I don't want to say anything about this post of yours that has embarrassed me in public. I made a post about my apology and I did it on my own initiative by holding the paper and writing in it. I do it with pleasure! This is not a request from @hivewatcher or anyone else, because I want to be a little mature and start honestly to earn a little money for my family and share my experiences here. Why did you involve me in solving your problem?
Oh Gosh. You did that on purpose on your own? Watching everyone gravel in their appeals sure made it look like it was part of the deal. Well, I sincerely apologize for involving you, but thought it was ok since it was already public. I saw your error and the consequence of it looked so screwed up. I just hate watching people get shit on. I thought I was doing you a favor and sticking up for you. Look at the bright side your gonna get a lot of attention now. Best wishes to you and your family. Now following your blog and looking forward to what you have to share!
Why are you not celebrating a huge win for hive after separating the blockchain, making those who lost steem whole again, then the price going up 3x the price of steem? Is this something not to celebrate? Instead why do you believe it's correct to be hung up on steemit and force your hang ups on the little guy made up of mostly content creators to the point of using it as a reason to downvote and punish? Do you think newcomers that have no idea about this situation posting both places should be punished too? Or should they be force educated on this situation?
The content creating community would like to know.
Are you ok with blatantly racist comments on your discord server?
And do you decide on how to treat people based on race?
How much money in total do you think you have run off the blockchain by treating people unjustly?
I believe you owe everyone here, especially the big investors an answer.
Please explain the chosen dark imagery. Is that to help assert your authority? Itimidation? or both?
Please explain how this is a decentralized platform when you ignore the overwhelming majority of dissenting opinions.
How is that I can post the same thing on Steemit, and that is good for steemit but bad for hive?
Please stop. Hive is not Steemit and what you're implying is that Hive should be more like Steemit. Don't forget there was a hostile takeover in which Hive stakeholders lost millions and the rest of us dedicated an insane amount of time to helping build Hive together. Your approach in general is narrow sighted and frankly selfish. You're also blaming people who have nothing to do with anything and you have used a personal photo of an individual for your own campaign and benefit. (I don't even want to know the answer as to why you think taking his photos is acceptable, take that up with him.)
I'll repeat the same thing I did earlier: Please explain why you should repost, which tricks curators and readers into thinking its new content and is a type of fraud, but others should be held up to higher standards. We already had this discussion and I know the answer. But since you're bringing up all of this, then I'll ask.
And while you're responding, please do explain why you think Hive should be more like Steemit.
It's the same damn thing for bloggers. Explain how it's different. Unlike you I don't spend all day studying hive politics. Nor do I care, frankly I've tried to avoid it like the plague for obvious reasons. It's the same for me, it's my user experience.
Stay on topic. You guys abuse people and treat them like shit. I was sticking up for him after you humiliated him. Thought it was a good thing sorry.
Like I said in Discord, we'll talk tomorrow.
SPIN DOCTOR WE WILL NOT
As a doctor you above all others should know that being uspet and disgusted with such actions and behavior directed at the community and myself is a total normal and healthy reaction.
But then again you probably can't relate because you have no spine.
I think it's best that I give you and your entire satanic operation some time to reflect on how you want to live your lives. I'm currently thoroughly enjoying mine. Heading south along the Andamen coast tmr from this amazing Island of Koh Lanta.
I'll have some time to take care of business soon; and let the word go to the top, it will be damaging on levels you can't even imagine. You have no idea who and what I know. In the mean time, consider turning your lives around.
Nothing wrong with that post at all. It was about photos of people not wearing masks. Only time ever I reused photos. Ever! After you explained I should not.
Their accusations mean nothing. They say it's not a repost if you add significant new content. Until it doesn't fit their sick agenda and are exposed. Then it's a "repost".
Who the hell thinks they can successfully get rewards and build a good reputation by reposting the exact same thing day after day. They make believe people are behind the scenes holding other's hostage and clicking their up-vote button for them.
Common sense please!
and even if they slip up accident or not a few times in five years. What's a reasonable reprecaution? Seriously someone other than me fill in the blank.
Black list and run their investment off the platform publicly pissing off all that watch and disagree which is like everyone.
Common sense folks....please.
I see you are too dumb and sinister @hivewatcher, so they put in SPIN DOCTOR for damage control. Good switch!
Very interesting accusations. I will be taking some time to review this. Thank you for posting some details here on the blockchain however. THAT is much appreciated for transparencies sake.
Thanks and thanks for letting me know about your situation with the downvotes. You may be unaware, but I have had most of my posts Zeroed on Hive since October. In my case there has been zero real jutification given beyond a loose 'you don't know shit about science'. I invited Curangel to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that what I have been saying is wrong, yet they have failed 100% to even attempt to do so. As with your case, most people can see that the downvoters are not being motivated by legitimate concerns and are carrying out some kind of agenda which has nothing to do with growing Hive. Who knows, maybe they are even double agents seeking to trash Hive from within, in order to promote Steem! lol.
Either way, you are right, many people are withdrawing support for Hive due to their reckless and stupid behaviour.
Here are a variety of relevant links to articles I have written. I have also created a dApp to track downvotes called the untrending report:
When Is a Censor Not A Censor? The Wider Implication of Downvote/Cancel Culture on Hive.
How Many Of My Upvoters Are Actively Using Hive? (Addressing Downvote Cancel Culture on Hive)
Your Comments On The Cancel Culture And Zeroing of Viral Posts on Hive By Curangel.
The Dynamics of DPOS & POB Pitch Money Against Freedom in a Constant Brawl for Decentralisation Over Centralisation... But We Will Evolve!
The HIVE FREEDOM PROXY: Over $1.7M Worth of Hive Witness Votes Available For Serious Free Speech Witnesses.
NEW Hive dApp: Hive Alive | Includes a 1st For Hive -> The UnTrending Report To Track Downvotes.
Gettr - Hive Competitor Gains Millions of Users Due To Support For Dr. Malone - Who I've Been Heavily Downvoted For Supporting.
!ENGAGE 100
ENGAGEtoday.Sorry to hear you've had similar problems. Why I chose travel as my main subject. I never came here to share much deep opinions. I don't need the conflict and negativity in my life with those who dissagree, especially with that nasty downvote button. But look what I'm wrapped up in now! If it wasn't so hurtful, sick, and disgusting....it would make for a great comedy!
Your situation isn't related to Hivewatchers at all and is very different. You're writing original content and even those who downvote you know that you put a lot of work into your posts. That's a given. You're not recycling content because you couldn't be bothered to create something new.
One of the problems with the anonymisation of voting is that no-one really knows who is voting for who and why, most of the time. You are right that Hivewatchers has never downvoted me and I appreciate that - however, I have heard plenty of complaints about the downvoting that Hivewatchers does that certainly make them feel and look similar to what is being done to me. His comments about racism and verbal abuse have been echoed to me from far too many different people for me to be willing to disbelieve him.
He shouldn't be bringing up racism considering that he's asking for special treatment. I think what you're getting at is there can be an option on frontends to state why an upvote or downvote is cast (an option outside of commenting I mean). I believe some frontends are piloting this type of idea but this discussion isn't for this thread.
I'm not really sure what you are saying here - he's described direct racism through verbal statements. Are you saying that disagreeing with Hivewatchers' decision is justification for racist attacks?
That isn't going to make any difference when there are openly sociopathic whales that even celebrate their state of mind in public. They aren't going to leave comments and even if they did it wouldn't change anything much when they want to autodownvote for their own agenda.
Bottom line is that there is a huge amount of hypocrisy, denial and unconscious activity happening in the 'community' here and it is being directly supported by some of the largest stakeholders who have had ample time to take action but who have mostly done nothing. If people want to create that for some reason, then that's their choice, but in highly competitive spaces, such as social media and crypto - it will only lead to nowhere.
He took a photo from an individual's blog and assumed that because that individual is of a different ethnicity to himself that it's racism. I can write an essay here about why this mentality is flawed but a basic google search can also answer this question.
I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing.
I am referring to this:
Are you saying that this person is actually also white, but has an asian style image and that it's therefore ok for them to ridicule based on race?
See DM.
SPIN DOCTOR takes it behind closed doors. SPIN DOCTOR is a damage control master!
I called him those and clearly all those traits don't apply to his physique. Now if someone calls me Asian with a tan brown skin, I should be offended because it's my right to be offended for someone spitting facts about my Asian heritage and tan brown skin. He's going for the racial slur angle when he has got nothing else and used it to frame like HW did that on their own accord. He lost his case when he made ridwant a tool for his agenda here. He accused me of being part of HW when I just spoke my opinion about the guy. Not everything has to be taken in the context of race. And WTP is a grown man upset about negative emojis.
I'm not sure what motivation you have for highlighting someone's skin colour as you mock them online - it's not a common thing for people to do unless they are using it as a racial slur - hence his words in response.
I would not be speaking about 'race' unless you yourself had brought it up in the initial comments, so from my POV it is you that has made this about race in some way.
If you want to contest him not being all those traits, I wouldn't go down that conversation. The succeeding conversations in HW had nothing to do with that and he nitpicked one line to make a big deal of his narrative against HW. If I'm called an Asian Grown ass man who gets upset of negative emojis, I would contest the negative emojis part because that's the only thing that isn't a fact when I said there.
Again, whatever spins the narrative to make his case, keep enjoying the drama. The guy accused me of being part of HW when I'm just there on the server just like anyone else with a role that allows me to post gif images as a privilege and nothing else. He said he has been observing for days yet still couldn't figure out I'm just like anyone else there.
I'm not enjoying anything in particular here, I have much better things to be doing ;)
I am not contesting what he might be 'racially' defined as in standardised human reality. I personally have no interest or even a belief in 'race' at all, I see humans and before that I actually feel spirit moving in human forms. However, people do love to stir up drama and attack each other based on the imaginary construct of 'race', which you seemed to be doing - so I am just enquiring why, that's all.
You're indulging yourself in the conversation long enough that makes me say otherwise. How he took those facts about his physique and commentary about his attitude towards negative emoji is the sum of my observation. I would admit fault if he does not identify himself as a adult man, caucasian and isn't upset about those negative emojis.
This guy is a SPIN DOCTOR to the 10th degree. He's in full damage controll obviously. Trying to talk to me discord, and @ura-soul. Make it public for all to see. They wouldn't even give me the time of day until this post went public. Just punish me and get off on it. Here SPIN DOCTOR SPIN this from me to him on discord 20 minutes ago......
"Honestly you should all be fired immediately. You're all a total disgrace. Look what you've done! You pushed me over the edge. 10 weeks of abuse. You don't even deserve an answer. You could have settled this peacefully. How about you just come to me through communication, instead click a damn downvote button all day.
You could have said something as simple as this "we see that you don't understand that your posts do not look good for said reasons... and as a high rep 5 year member of the community it would be appreciated if you would increase your blogging standards, thank you and have a nice day." I would have gladly made changes. Oh I did make changes anyway and it didn't matter.
So, you and your entire group can get your sadistic jollies off beating me down relentlessly. Including end of window downvotes just to rub my nose in the dirt. You caused this, not me. Treat people with a little dignity and this would have never happend. When you push people too far this is what you get, at least when they have a spine. Sorry I'm not one of the jellyfish that you're used to. Go look in the mirror and point your finger at yourself. My exposing of YOUR groups behavior just messed things up all over the place didn't it? From top witnesses to new comer. Your fault, 100%. Treat people with dignity and respect next time. I'm done here."
I'm talking to my friend on Discord as any rational person would. We are now talking about the Fediverse. I don't want to respond any further to you today like I said as I can see you're not in the state of mind to logically discuss any topic. Just trying to do what's right here.
After all the damage you've done to the platform, all the people, money you've run off. All the people you've shit all over behind the scenes. The only thing that is right is resign. And damn right I'm pissed off, a lot of people should be as well after seeing what's been going on here for so long.
An individual you forced to publicly humiliate. SPIN DOCTOR is smooth wow.
Hi. Just looking around again and noticed you said this:
... after that member already told you directly they made the decision on their own and that you had in fact embarrassed them with your behavior here today.
I think that's worth pointing out, especially when I see you using the spin doctor angle as an insult, while spinning yourself.
Anyway. Please continue talking and just 'being yourself'. It helps others observing learn about you and your situation a little better.
Wow you look like a member of the club. Nice face. Him having to make public post with his face or not is humiliating for his nothing offense of 10 months ago. It's not just him, it's the whole set up. Speeding ticket 666,666 dollar fine. I'm sure you like that number.
Oh so you thought me simply acting on my own in a public forum; pointing out some discrepancies, lack of respect for the individual in question, and potential integrity issues you're placing on display was an invitation to focus on some superficial nonsense, then find a way to insult me?
You act like that, and publish it, for all to see; yet I'm the monster?
Please continue. This is fascinating.
You should be focused on the rampant abuse of hivewatchers. Can't see the forest through the trees I guess.
You don't get to make that decision for me. I'd rather focus on the entire picture. Not just where you want me to look.
I've seen you throw a lot of folks under the bus so far — who are not involved — for no real reason other than you being upset.
FYI your insults directed at me slide off. I see how you treat others so taking it personally would be a waste of energy. That's just how you are. Okay fine, no problem.
Anything else?
It's true that name calling really doesn't get us closer to actually solving the problems and getting on the same page. I agree... But I can also understand why @world-travel-pro is so upset here.
I, like him, make use of my actual likeness and so that brings things to a more personal level (especially with regards to racial insults in what should be a professional operation.)
Both @world-travel-pro and myself have pictures of our real life persons on this blockchain as we have attempted to build real and lasting connections founded on trust here on the blockchain.
Being picked apart by people who don't use their actual likeness can be a little unnerving especially when those doing so know you for you and the asymmetry is apparent in that we don't really know who you are.
In matters of trust therefore... this can be very upsetting especially when your talking about a body of work that's been benefiting the blockchain for 5 years in duration.
Let's be honest here...
As content creators we are compensated via the tokenomics of the blockchain... That does not, however, mean that the exchange is a valueless one TO THE BLOCKCHAIN.
Hive got to host the content instead of some other Social2.0 (or competing blockchain) thereby driving attention and relevance to the blockchain.
This of course means a whole lot more when we are talking about a REAL flesh and blood person publishing content to Hive.
This should merit extra care in HOW these matters are pursued don't you think?
I'll leave off with this...
@world-travel-pro, I understand WHY your upset in many of your comment and in this post it's self. I would feel much the same way honestly. Here's something that might help as a guide post through this all:
[IMAGE]
@nonameslefttouse... I can understand why your not happy with being spoken to (above) in this way... But perhaps a little understanding would go a long way?
I certainly would like to see these matters resolve in a more constructive way than what I have witnessed... but in the end we are dealing with real life human-beings and THAT is exactly why HOW we human matters on the blockchain.
Let's all keep it classy shall we?
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
P.S. I'm saying all of this because I have taken the time to review EVERY SINGLE COMMENT on this post as it was recently targeted by @Comet.Ranker. I'm attempting to be as diplomatic, objective, and constructive as possible here. I hope that you can all appreciate this wide angle view on what is happening in this post.
Cheers! 🙂
Tagging for reference:
@ura-soul @apshamilton
I already gave you ONE response. Please stop pretending like you're taking the high road. The artist that created that image is a REAL PERSON (me) with over FIVE YEARS of work published here with tens of thousands of comments and tens of thousands of responses from REAL PEOPLE. There's nothing FAKE about me. I'm not trying to HIDE.
I don't like seeing people get bullied. Period. I will stand up for myself. Period. If I wanted or needed your help, I'd ask.
Think what you may. I see you as someone who is calm and collected. That is why I decided to speak to what I have taken the time to see play out here on this post. I wanted to take this opportunity to speak what I saw as a contributing factor… and I also wanted to acknowledge the faults in all the name calling and posturing I have seen from the author of this post. I believe that I understand you both. I’m not trying to take the high road… I am making a conscious decision (after reading all that I have) to take the high road. I see much of the trouble happening on Hive as a problem we see on a lot of other social platforms. The answer isn’t in the outer extremes… it is rather a relative one. This is why I wanted to speak to this topic and I hope that you can see I am bringing some level of respect back into the conversation so many took time to be a part of. I’ll respond to your longer comment later (and only if I am able to find the time.) Speaking of which… thank you for your time and attention.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Pssst! Wil! You don't need to tiptoe around me and be so damn delicate. It's annoying! Not impressive. (relax. just being facetious)
Just being me my friend. It’s not delicate but you seem to be annoyed by it. Well! Whatever! 🤷♂️
Bye Felicia!
Must I place a disclaimer here indicating 'joke' again so you don't hand me another pamphlet on how to be?
Your other comment would not indicate your lighthearted nature… but ok! I’ll bite. Is this your way of defusing the things that were already put in play? Humour is always good so long as your not making light of serious things. Again though… that’s just my take. Time and place right?
I'm multifaceted, I suppose. I'd much rather joke and around and shoot the shit with people; have fun. I take serious matters seriously. I can easily disagree with folks and not hold a grudge. Don't let this monster picture fool you. It took a lot of years to be able to create art that can make an impact. It's really easy for me to see who focuses on superficial nonsense and that tells me a lot about them without them saying anything.
Stop looking at the surface. Take the time to read some of my work someday, or the comments underneath. No tricks, no gimmicks.
I certainly will! I have nothing but respect for the artistic process and the journey that an artist made to reach their current pinnacle. I’m the sort that does dive deeply especially when it comes to word power, art, and the wider implications that most miss because they are taking things 1 comment and 1 post at a time.
So yes.
I’ll be checking out your past posts.
There’s nothing wrong with having the fun approach. I do think posts like this can loose that aspect of what it means to effectively social.
I believe that, with social, he/she who has the most fun wins.
Thank you for taking the time to tell me a little bit about yourself. 👍
Posts like this and that 'crap' you seem to subscribe to where the cops are coming to take control; that's all a direct slap in the face to someone like me who's been working their butt off to make the place fun or least interesting for a lot of folks, for a bit. While yourself and several others are working hard to disempower the community and smear everything, quite a few of us are out there making it work and proving what can be accomplished. But these days it's like I'm not even allowed to say that. Gotta sit and talk about lame shit.
I think you greatly misunderstand my intentions. I have been actively working (and investing) towards a better Hive every day for the last 4 years on and off the blockchain. I don’t put out crap and I engage like there is no tomorrow.
Why I’m different than most users in this blockchain is because I take radical ownership… and I care about Layer 0 because without Layer 0 we don’t have a reason to maintain our Layer 1 or build out our Layer 2.
I might be misunderstood by some in this community (and that’s ok!) but everything I am trying to do is to make Hive relevant, marketable, viable, sustainable, friendlier, and better all around.
If you don’t think so take a careful look at what I am doing with @Comet.Ranker.
I believe that we need to innovate new and better ways to human on this blockchain and that can not effectively be done without having our eyes and minds wide open to the short comings of what’s previously been developed and what is currently taking place right now.
We need to continue to move the needle or other competing social blockchains will increasingly eat our lunch.
We should be a top 10 coin… and until we are… we need to continue asking the questions that need to be asked, having the hard conversations, closing the gaps where they appear, and building the things that need to be built.
None of this is comfortable but I do appreciate the people who want to keep this blockchain light and fun!
Kudos to you for having that intent. 👍
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
People acting like mad scientists every time something goes wrong around here probably isn't helping either. Just sayin'
sigh There’s Proof of Static Mind? 🤷♂️
Technology is all about creative destruction. If we aren’t innovating and solving inevitable problems we are becoming less and less relevant as each day goes by.
Hive should be a top 10 coin and so every day that it’s not pointedUP is a day it’s pointed down.
Solving how Layer 1 effects Layer 0 should be precedent if we are to win and avoid being marginalized in a rapidity innovating and burgeoning field within the cutting edge of crypto.
All this begin with the culture forming around a project.
We need to continue to give investors a reason to trade their perfectly good Bitcoin… and users a reason to stay.
Anyways…
I have spoken my mind here.
I have nothing more to say.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
sigh
Can solving problems instead of melting down over problems be a part of that culture, or no?
Good point… but I think it’s inherent in the idea of “normalizing” a DV. The melt downs are only a symptom of the problem rather than it’s source.
So what's the source of the meltdown?
Hi @nonameslefttouse,
I'm pretty certain that people associated with the @HiveWatchers account leaned pretty heavily on that man you are referring to here.
Not everyone is ready for this level of conflict especially when they are simply here on this social blockchain to earn a little crypto and bring good to their family.
Coercion and the RAW force of an overhanging downvote (Not to mention the feeling that there is a magnifying glass over every move made on this blockchain) would make many people buckle and say anything to get out of the kitchen.
Just because this man expressed himself in this way doesn't mean that the man doesn't have feelings about HOW his situation was handled.
Quite obviously he felt the heat enough to actually post a picture of himself holdingUP an apology sign. That's telling in and of it's self about the amount of pressure he is/was dealing with and why he might (understandably) be saying these things (see bellow for the links to both his apology post and the comment made here on this post).
It is understandable why he would want to back out of any conflict after dealing with everything this individual has recently went through.
I think that your points are void unfortunately this is a typical example of the collateral damage being done every day on this blockchain.
HOW needs to be evolved... It's damaging in more than one way.
We can reform and educate new (and old) users... but this is probably NOT best done by the 3rd party's policing the blockchain.
THIS clearly is NOT their role nor is it something that should fall within the scope of what they day. (referring to @HiveWatchers)
Thank you for hearing me out.
Sincerely,
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
@world-travel-pro just tagging you for your reference. You as well @ura-soul. And why not. @apshamilton I'll tag you here as well since this is also a recent @HiveWatchers incident due to HOW Hive Integrity is being implemented on the blockchain.
For your reference:
https://peakd.com/hive-129496/@ridwant/my-hivewatcher-blacklist-i-apologize-to-the-hive-community
And a recent (and understandable) comment in response to being featured in this post:
https://peakd.com/hive/@ridwant/r6oor4
What that gentleman said in his comment, here, which is also linked in your comment, should be respected. You're insulting his integrity. Please stop.
What I see is an honest man who made a mistake, acknowledged their mistake, and took a mature/professional approach to handling it. It's called personal accountability and you're attempting to disempower, which I cannot respect.
You, twisting this situation into something meant to better suit your own narrative is not something I'm interested in dealing with right now. I've watched you folks talking in circles for long enough.
And with the amount of abuse I've had to put up with ever since meeting this character known as "World Travel Pro", what makes you think I even care? This is all behind me now. I gave that man plenty of opportunities. It's not my job to sit here and babysit. And I'm not even connected with Hive Watchers.
Where I come from, you let two people fight fairly and settle their disputes on their own.
How is your behavior any different than what you view as 'policing'?
You're suspiciously ignoring the massive amount of abuse and threats littered all over the blockchain since this character known as "World Travel Pro" decided to lash out. The only person responsible for that behavior is the individual. That's a choice he made. Clearly the wrong choice. But you're trying to say the man who handled it like a champ did the wrong thing.
Shame.
You tagged urasoul, who for several months now has been part of a group absolutely tormenting the entire community. I came back from a long adventure away from all things online and the first thing I noticed was that group smearing me, for absolutely no reason at all, so I've been keeping a close eye on it ever since. What's coming out of that group is disturbing, demented, and has been getting worse and worse and worse over time, up to and including their latest spectacle.
And I often see you coming along to play a supportive role in that or things similar.
What you're seeing is humanity. The people who are able to find success, handle their business professionally, negotiate obstacles when things go wrong; they don't need a set of blockchain rules in order to maintain their balance on this delicate tightrope known as life. And those others who act shady and look for shortcuts, exploits, and trample over anyone within their vicinity; it doesn't matter who gives them the rules or how those rules are presented. Those people will continue to be themselves as well.
You don't want change, Wil. You want to be able to control these things. It's not meant to be controlled.
In over five years here, Wil, not once did I ever feel like I'm being policed by that group, or anyone for that matter, nor did I ever feel like I needed to act inline with their policies, or any policies. I simply did my own thing, my way, without interference. Not once did I ever feel like anyone has any power over me. Nobody is in charge here. People are in charge of themselves, and that's it. Asking for any more or any less is pointless and doesn't make sense.
You called me here Wil, I heard you out. But I will not be putting up with any more abuse from this group pushing for control.
"Too busy worshipping control in order to be controlled, better. Too busy fighting their reflections."
Why not bring up racism? You don't like being exposed publicly? Trying to make a giant leap from that to me getting special treatment. Oh I got special treatment alright and of the absolute worst kind....SPIN DOCTOR
you shared a screen shot proof of their racism, they are obviously lefty crybaby lunatics' thinking government is good and they are Hives "government" in their minds... they are sabotaging Hive and add no value... now as high rank witnesses there is no chance to catch up to them in stake (as a witness myself of 7 months ranking 122 of 97 active, there is no chance without being in their circle jerk club!
!ENGAGE 100
Something that not a lot of people realize and something to keep in mind is that a person can plagiarize themselves. If you are re-posting content or posting the same thing in two separate platforms - Hive and Steem, then that is plagiarism. By your own admission, it sounds like you're doing both of those things. If their job is to stop plagiarism then it sounds like they are doing their job.
🤷♂️
So if I post the same thing on Facebook and Instagram that is plagiarism? Really?
And by the way, I've always 100% of the time changed the meat of my content that being photos, except once bringing photos back old photos from a trip to Ukraine showing people not wearing facemasks in the "old norm" just to start engagment, what a crime! And that post I changed the words. Now blacklist my ass! and run my money off the platform.
I'm getting real sick of stupid.
I'm not sure about all the nuances and how things work with photos tbh and things are/should probably be treated differently when there is no monetary gain being made, as in the case of Facebook and Instagram. I think thats another case really, but I'm also not an expert on the matter lol.
If you're writing something new, like a whole new post, then it's not plagiarism either. The way I read it originally in your post, was that you are copy and pasting the same article on both sites, which is plagerism and which, in my opinion, doesn't look great.
I'm not trying to be the police here or anything just giving my opinion. Take it as you wish
The social media industry has always involved cross posting across multiple networks. The idea that Hive is going to grow while preventing users from cross-posting is ridiculous.
Hey...too much common sense can get you black listed here. Just amazing isn't it....
I don't think anyone has anything against cross-posting, except for maybe on Steem due to the history and similarity of platforms, although we both know they're not that similar anymore considering curation and why anyone would even attempt to still post there. In general we at OCD don't mind if people crosspost from web2 to Hive.
I posted on steemit, took the rewards from steemit and bought 10,000 hive at 10 cents. Is that a problem?
No, it is not.
You might check the definiton here:
But why did you only highlight the first two bullets points of the definition? It's literally the fourth bullet point in your article lol
Said another way, to copy from one source and paste it in another, or to pretend that old content is new.
Regardless, I've been thinking about this situation for a few days now and it doesn't matter whether the behavior is plagiarism or not. This is a community run chain, and if the community doesn't like a particular behavior then they have the right to speak out and/or take action. We are essentially policing ourselves here. Many are okay with cross posting, but a very large portion of the community doesn't like it when it involves Steem because of the history there. Some dont really care and some look the other way in those circumstances. But when it comes to any behavior that is precieved as raping the reward pool - most people on Hive do care and they don't like it. There are a lot of behaviors that are perceived that way: Churning content and abusing autovotes to name two. I think if a person engages in those behaviors it becomes a "proceed with caution" scenario because there might be backlash, which is exactly the case in of what happened here.
To be honest, because I didn't notice it.
And I personally disagree. I think if it is my own content I can publish it whenever I like and wherever I want. If you publish my content it is plagiarism.
But you have a point that if I refer to that I link the fourth point comes closer to what we are discussing here in this case.
Well, I think it depends on, if one presents something (especially if it is a product or if one writes about science) as new if it isn't. Then that's probematic. I would mention my old post and refer to it in such a case.
I think HIVE is way to centralized to speak of "the community" when rather often a few whales overrule the upvotes of hundreds of smaller users.
Actually I think a very "large portion" (most splinterlands players for example) doesn't care, but especially the "top witnesses" react very sensitive.
Yes ... if smaller users are doing that.
At least when I was still active here some "top witnesses", for example former bid bot owner @themaximizermark, posted a very short shit post nearly every day and got hundreds of auto votes. As long as certain whales (or delegatees from whales) are too big to be punished for the same behaviour they themselves condemn, I see it very critical to "police" other users.
I'm certainly not an expert on plagiarism, especially when it comes to things like social media and "low stakes" endeavors. Things are obviously much more strict and regimented when it involves academics, research and paid publishing, which was where my biases were at the begining of this thread but aren't so much anymore.
I agree that a big portion doesn't care. There are people on both sides or the arguement. But in this case it's the people who do care that one needs to worry about if they engage in the behavior, as we have seen by their actions. If witnesses are perceived as being sensitive to the subject, that makes some sense to me since they have one of the biggest stakes in wanting the platform to be successful (not all of them, but many). Steemit failed and turned into a dogshit platform because of the rampant abuse on it, and people who want Hive to be successful don't want it to turn into another steemit so they are cracking down on said abuse.
Regarding your last comment: I agree that it is unfortunate that some big whales, some witnesses, and some people who have been on the platform for a long time also engage in these types of behaviors. I personally don't see that as a reason to also engage in the same behaviors myself though. I'm not saying that is what you are arguing or anything, I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for discussing in a friendly, sophisticated way.
I wonder if you possibly might confuse things a little bit here?
Yes, I agree that in average big stakeholders naturally care more about their investment than smaller stakeholders, because they have more stake at risk and invested more (in case they aren't just early miners or former bid bot owners!).
And even if some of them act amazingliy short sighted and selfish instead of being long term orientated, in general I understand why they might react more sensitive on abuse (at least abuse commited by others not by themselves) which they think might lower the value of the blockchain, the platform, the currency HIVE.
However, I personally don't consider posting a good STEEM post on HIVE as abuse. Even if you disagree (which is fine with me), in this case their sensitivity has nothing to do with the wish to protect their stakes, but is simply the consequence of personal involvement and frustration. Yes, I can understand their anger (I know the whole story, I am here since 2016, and I think that neither Justin Sun nor the HIVE witnesses made a good figure during the conflict), but being angry on anybody shouldn't be a reason to force anybody else to be angry, too, and act accordingly. :) In my opinion their personal conflict with Justin Sun shouldn't lead to stricter measures against users who repost STEEM posts than for example against users who repost Instagram posts.
To be clear, I think STEEM is completely lost (you mentioned some reasons), but that's not the point here in my opinion.
Well, of course not.
It's just ... if smaller users abuse the platform there is still some hope to solve the problem ... if the biggest ones are doing it (while at the same time fighting relentlessly against smaller, and often new and inexperienced users) then there remains not much to hope anymore from my side.
Well, I am a Splinterlands whale now (and withdrew about 400 k HIVE), a community which is much more decentralized than HIVE itself, due to many different, rather big stakeholders who act independently from each other, so that this typical HIVE oligarchy feeling doesn't exist.
I was thinking the same thing haha 😄
That's fair I think. To be honest, I don't know how I feel about it. I've abandoned Steem entirely at this point. One concern for me would be that if we want Hive to be a quality platform that people turn to for information and entertainment then we may not want any association with steem at all because if they are viewed as the same in any way then steems negative reputation will ultimately affect and cheapen Hive. If the same content is on both platforms then it compounds the situation as well, people will likely see them as the same, at least to an extent.
I think I can agree with that. I can't speak about the actions of others but I can understand that people who were screwed over by Steem may hold a scorched earth policy towards it and may use their power to hurt it in any way they can, even if those actions hurt users of Hive. I'm not saying that I agree with it entirely just that I understand it.
I don't know from first hand experience if this is actually happening but Yeah, I can agree that hypocritical and double standard-like behavior isn't great. If a person is abusing a platform and at the same time condemning others for doing the same thing, that isn't great.
That's awesome that you are a splinterlands whale now. Good for you! I actually don't know much about splinterlands but definitely feel like I missed the boat with it. Haha
In my last real post in 2020 you can find my point of view, but on the other side: as long as you are happy and satisfied on HIVE I see no reason to spoil your user experience. So just enjoy posting!
I am 'hibernating' and may or may not come back - just let's see what future brings.
I admit that considered from a technological point of view HIVE is very advanced compared to all current concurrents (but also the planned social networks on Cardano and Solana will be interesting).
I never really cared about these classifications but considering that I am currently ranked 9th concerning collection power, I guess this term isn't inappropriate.
Yes, of course it would have been an advantage to join before July/August 2021 after which card prices rose a lot, but I think it might still not to be too late.
I do a highly visual travel/photography blog. Photos are by far the meat of my content. I was not intentionally trying to fool anyone. just leaving info to go along with them. Like a pamphlet of information one recieves when they enter a museum. When you re blinded by sadism and the high you get from it you can not understand that I would innocently think like this. When all you have is a whip, everyone looks like an ass.
That's an interesting take... but I think I'm in disagreement here. Plagiarizing yourself isn't really a thing. When you consider entire bodies of work and where those creative minds drew inspiration it puts this in an even more stark light.
But just to keep this comment on point I'll stick to your statement:
Artists and creative people the world over build on bodies of work that they have compiled during the course of their lives. It's the creative innovative process (not to mention HOW talent comes to be in the 1st place!) and so I believe that this conversation needs this as a backdrop for context.
Here's an example of what I am talking about. The producer for the Documentary "Everything is a Remix" is now REMIXING his original content about REMIXING. Check it out! 🙃
annnnnd here's part 2!
With this as contex now I think we con constructively handle the objects our minds create... wouldn't you say @leaky20?
I'll also tag @jaki01 as he is here in the mix!
AND I'll link to the original author of this post since this is... HIS POST!
@world-travel-pro
I look forward to hearing each of your thoughts,
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
The conversation evolved and I later pointed out my bias towards the subject of plagiarism and stated that I don't think the plagiarism thing applies to social media or low stakes endeavors. In academics and scientific research you can definitely plagiarize yourself though, which is where my mind went in the begining when this came up. For instance, in research if you used information from a previous study you did you would have to site yourself and your previous research.
I am victim of this downvoted circumstance for many weeks now , the only logical reason given to me was that my account is a typical example of made to scam type of account. And that was it, nothing more nothing less till date. I am still wondering who i must have scammed, or who i am scamming, if you find a particular post of mine to be plagiarised then downvote it and let me know why you did so in the comment section. Not blacklisting my account and downvoting everything there. I am just a student that keep myself going through with the little earnings i get from hive. I am just tired , it made me loss interest in hive for weeks now
You're a victim of your own self.
You may want to stop spreading lies. Check this post out.
Alright Mr perfect, in the appeal Chat was this very post specified as the reason for the blacklist and have i been given another chance to make amends?
The community muted the post because it contains much violence and was plagiarised, was other posts that was downvoted plagiarised ?
I don't know you personally but the way you act like the law and order both in the hivewatchers and comments here. I really do hope you have never made a mistake in your life before. But if you ever have? Then stop jumping on people's case if you don't have solution to there problem.
We humans are the biggest judge to ourselves when we ain't even perfect.
The truth hurts, isn't it? It hurts to be caught with a few lies.
Lies ?
Please where did i lie ? When i said i wasn't cleared of the particular reason i was blacklisted other than hivewatchers saying my account is typical example of made to scam account ? Common man i know you are Nigerian and a Christian right ? If you are , then you would understand perfectly.
Nobody is above mistake , and if God were to count our sins for us and judge us everyday accordingly. Nobody would be left to be judged on Earth.
My take here is this :
Thank you
Dude, I told you in @hivewatchers "time out" jail.....hahahahaha
Stop thinking like a victim.
But honestly, I don't understand what you did and maybe you should stay there.
Him and I were Hive watcher jail mates for about 24 hrs. lol
According to Mr @Erikah , it's under this post that a clear reason was given to me. That i plagiarised, alright fine i accept i plagiarised and then what ? You are just gonna disqualify me entirely without even allowing me second chance to try again and then if i fail you can then ban me entirely .
It thought this was a decentralized platform? Didn't know it was centralized and had no room for forgiveness and mercy
Trying to police the internet is a losing endevour, shit shouldn't be left up to people but to machine learning algos that run the content past a plagiarism test and that is that.
There are certain parties that make a habit of quoting other sourced text to pad out their own stuff... And if it's used sanely and with proper source cited, then whatever.
Som folks just grab a bunch of text off somewhere and try and be sneaky, pass it off as their own for some potential profit, fuck those people.
Agreed, I don't follow hivewatcher but I remember before people bitching about it. I think once a human is controling such a service it is biased.
I agree totally. And one this is for sure I write 100% and take 100% of my own photos, while used to travel the world, until.....
Until? lol
That is inherently the problem with these things. If a person has a legit account them plagurizise it's hard to say if they deserve to be 2nd chanced or whatever.
I was talking about covid lockdowns and stuff. I'm stuck in Thailand. Before I circled the globe for like 16 years continuously. I guess I should have made that more clear. My apologies.
I'm placing you under arrest for the crime of wanting to fuck those people.
puts his dick away
I put it away officer. :D
Damn fringe minority...
Also massive tag lists almost always get you in shit, is considered bad form / manners.
And what should be the repercussion please...?
Double castration imho
lol...just saw this now. I like your style.
You should change your title for the following:
MIND BLOWING AND SHOCKING LACK OF KNOWLEDGE REVEALED BY ENTITLED AND SELF PROCLAIMED V.I.P. ON THE HIVE BLOCKCHAIN.
Off with my head! And everyone else "they" don't like. Open your eyes to what's going on here. And why do I keep seeing this word entitled over and over again? You think I deserve to be permanently black listed? That's appropriate reprecution? have a closer look at my blog, and then compare it to others with one sentence and one photo getting 30 bucks a pop.
My eyes are open. I stopped curating you in 2020.
You're not special. Just because you're around for a while doesn't give you the right to abuse the reward pool with reposted content.
Definitely a surprising behaviour, coming from someone who portrays him self as a "highly successful person" (your own words).
Wow. You made sense. You don't like my blog, you stopped up voting it.
But those who keep up voting it...that's me with a gun to their head.
Never mind, I guess you make...half sense. Congratulations an improvement.
At this point you're behaving like a headless chicken.
Wish you well.
Although the title and writing style is dramatic, and I don't fully know the situation, I can sympathize about these types of things.
There isn't much if any accountability on "who watches the watchers".
Hi. Is it Ok to repost content in your community? Once? On an industrial scale?
Don't let him fool you with his BS and logical fallacies.
The issue here is his simple blacklisting and subsequent downvoting for continued recycling of posts going back over a year.
https://ecency.com/hive-184437/@world-travel-pro/flash-back-to-the-old-norm-a-market-in-the-mekong-delta-can-tho-vietnam-2019-8-photos
This is the only issue involved that you are supporting by your votes.
Will this support of reward farming extend to the thousands of accounts that also get caught, if so, I am sure you can be furnished with a list.
I would need more detail than this. Are you saying he is taking posts from a year ago and posting them as if it was happening today?
Or are you saying he is posting the same exact article on Hive then putting it on Steem?
I've long said this, everyone should cross post onto Steem and sell their Steem rewards as soon as they get them and buy Hive. That makes Steem go down and Hive go up.
He was blacklisted for recycling on Hive, it started with that post link a year ago. The rest is just bluster and diversion.
HW do themselves no favours by throwing Steem into the equation which has confused people. I absolutely agree with you on this point about recycling their tokens and what people do off chain should have no bearing but in this case, it's just a simple case of someone reporting him for endlessly recycling content and farming rewards, no more, no less :-)
PS why has v4vapid stopped writing here? Always the most thought provoking and drama free alternative viewpoint writer on the chain. Send them my regards if you have contact please.
Hey, he has been busy working on deepdives. I haven't seen him around much either myself hehe.
Sorry what does it mean for recycling content and farming rewards though?
He is writing his own posts and then copying and pasting it onto Hive?
He republished articles written a year or two copy pasting the text and changing the image set to different angles for the same experience. If can ass himself to change the images when reposting, why can't he be bothered to change the copy pasted word content. His posts on steemit weren't factored into the equation unless they were posted prefork. The motivation here is just maximizing the autovotes for the least effort possible.
I see. That is no good.
I share some thoughts to this point that you are discussing. There is far more to discuss if you consider that this is NOT a black and white criteria for content. I would be interested to hear your thoughts @informationwar...
There are 2 comments in this thread but this link will get you started on my current line of thought around this subject. 👇
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/re-jordand89-r724fl
Wow! I am in shock!!!! I just planned to write more again but I rather let it be!
Who are the people behind?
Sorry it's come to this @mammasitta. So many of the abused just take it. Little did they know I have a spine.
I’ve been once a target! I know how it feels
It's incredibly hurtful and unjust. Amazing how they are allowed to do this.
Why would you even compare yourself to world-travel-pro?
Who said I compare myself to Anyone?!
I can read and see what’s going on. I am adult enough to judge myself what happens to a friend and actually many others I know since Steemit.
I do not like the undertone of your question!
You are here in the blogging world more/less as long as I am and should know better.
Have a nice day dear @acidyo
So why would you not write again because wtp is getting deserving downvotes for having milked low effort garbage posts in forever, effectively taken so much value from the blockchain without bringing much back in terms of quality. Seems you're the one who should know better or check a bit what the issue is rather than just reading what the abuser is saying and going off on it and not posting because you think hive is just evil and hits people with downvotes because they feel like it.
My apology to overlook your comment!
In short…..many members I do respect very much told me about the downvote topic and I was always against downvoting any content!!
I never said that HIVE as a community is evil.
I write on Steemit since June 2016 and experienced so much disappointing BS and unfortunately some of it was carried to this platform.
I slowed down writing first of all due to my health issues and if you would have followed my blog you might have read about my journey to fight breast-cancer.
Anyways….I still vote and curate content on HIVE as much as possible and WTP is one I do chose to upvote because I did not realize that he is so called “milking” the community. I find the content interesting.
I hope this clears your mind about my thoughts and decisions
🌺
Have a beautiful day and keep up your good job
There are no plagiarism detectives, just community members who care enough to report things that they suspect may fall outside community guidelines.
Luckily people care and are community minded enough to do so but not you, dinosaur.
Look around, the platform is full of amazing content creators who have upped their game and are being rewarded well
Not just relying on old school autovotes. You don't comment or take part in community engagement or read other people. You just shit post, sit back and count the rewards.
You are an entitled, rude and obnoxious liar. You also play the big 'I am', but you're not. You're pathetic with your bragging in discord about how rich you are and how successful you are and threatening people there with your friends in high places in Hive.
You're actually really embarrassing yourself.
Another little point. In your long tag list, you failed to mention kohsamui99 who you chatted to recently, your old pal, best mate etc....can I just ask why he didn't get a mention?
PS is this the post you've been threatening HW with all week? If so, it's sadly disappointing.
Why you little prick. I'm gonna get you. lol This is one of the two racists, that immediately attacked me when I asked to have the downvotes removed. Kill all dinosaurs! Chase off the money! Only 10 of 10 posts allowed now. Another business genius here. Seriously though, he just waits for people to come into the appeals and gets his sadistic jollies off by attacking them immediately with that total racist nut that goes by the creepy name Erotic Squid. lol Regarding money, all you were interested in was counting mine in that dark dark dark chat room, uggggg. So I just told you how it is...With my own hardwork something you know nothing about I'm sure, I've had major success in my life and don't need you or this. I came here as hobby primarily. Samuii is cool as a can be.
Damn you're a pathetic little man lol....becareful calling people racists without reason. Lying will get you into trouble...
Oh sorry I thought you and your racist friend who attacked me together were of hive mind. And thanks for thinking about me all the time. Your engagement in hivewatcher jail was flattering.
What’s the purpose in tagging me in this dumb shit?
As a well established member of the platform I thought you'd want to know about this extreme abuse chasing people and market cap off the platform, it's been going on long before they came after me. But if you don't care or are uninterested I totally understand that. Really think you're blog is cool. Keep that milk farm running strong! But it's really just a good well established blog like mine. Congratulations on your hard work and success!
Could you please at least try to be a little more passive-aggressive with those backhanded compliments?
I just ignore him.
Probably for the best. I'd prefer to talk him down from that ledge but the usual folks who latch onto these problems all while encouraging the downward spiral are already here cheering and defending his decision to jump so ... another one bites the dust I guess.
He's on his way out powering down and going through a predictable course by making the most noise as possible. I think 50 comments made for the last 30 days and 26 unique interactions different accounts says about his adoring fans. Those screenshots he used as a support were near or more than a month in age because not much yield to current state of his blogs. Just a guy posting for a quota copy pasting the paragraphs and changing the photos taken in the same place but tilted to a different angle capitalizing on autovotes going reeeeee.
It's not hard to see through the mask.
There's irony in the headline. I've often found it to be so peculiar how some people with a certain personality type often rat themselves out once confronted, but don't notice.
They're standing up for the little guys being oppressed but peering through their history makes me see how much they have lived a privileged period of earning and not minding what they complain about until it bites them.
I go out of my way to help other users not to get on the HW blacklist for the benign reasons of not sourcing a reference image properly or just verifying it's them across social media. This is just a small way to care for the new users that maybe try to bring in more users to the platform. WTP just posts for a quota and barely interacts outside his blog because he can't be bothered to spend more time on a hobby that gives him free money. Now the cash cow got taken away so he's got nothing else to lose.
That whole oppressed little people spiel is somewhat disturbing.
One would have to first see themselves as superior, and believe those below them can't function or succeed on their own without help, in order to be champion of the people and boast about it.
In general, most people are helpful. But you never see someone announcing to the world, "Look at me! I'm holding the door open for this nice little old lady!" ... for a reason, until you visit social media.
But I digress.
But oppression spiel sells and it's what is getting WTP views on the post, probably the most views he had ever.
Luckily people can leave then recycle all that 'work' into something Blurt stakeholders will have to pay for now.
Contributing to devaluing what some here view as competition is a noble act. So there's that, at least.
Edit: Only took them four months...
666 aka this guy above likes to make thing up-side down. Don't be fooled.
Actually I'm not gonna be a bag holder like you. See you at 10 cent hive 666.
Why are you acting like this?
You've done nothing but try to insult me. Your behavior is childish. You started attacking me right away, once I pointed out you're attacking people.
In my case you looked at my profile picture, which is just a cartoon character I created, then assumed I must be some kind of 'evil guy'.
Do I have to change my profile picture to some kind of sparkling unicorn with rainbows and sprinkles just to get some respect around here?
Do you realize it's you that's falling apart? What you might think in your mind is a show of strength, is actually you acting like a complete basket case.
Something came along and jarred you from your comfort zone. Even one ounce of maturity and maybe a dash of professionalism and you'd have been out of the mess you created for yourself in no time. Instead you choose to dig your hole deeper and deeper then blame everyone that's not holding a shovel for the mess you're in.
I think you can do better. Unfortunately there's no point in listening to anyone who only sticks around to say they're leaving all while attacking anyone who refuses to take the bait.
I tried to help you here. I tried to help you in your post after this. Then I saw you trying to threaten and intimidate an entire community two posts after this. It's all on the blockchain and that plastic smile of yours is not enough to cover your true colors.
The ball is in your court; but at this point, due to your behavior and your actions, I don't give two shits or a single fuck what you choose to do with it.
Grow up, ditch the arrogance, and wipe the asshole you choose to use as a brain because you're getting shit, everywhere.
Lol, 666 thinks I care about his opinions. I got to Koh Lanta the other day and have been enjoying this amazing island. Riding all around. The weather is perfect and so are the beaches. The fresh air and sunshine....I feel so good. It s not good for you to be cooped up on your computer all day thinking about me. 666, it will make your skin turn dark and grey matching exactly how you look on the inside.
So nice to see you again, Mr. Narcissistic Sociopath, having a public meltdown, pretending like it didn't happen, yet not fooling anyone. Any luck getting unmuted after your latest round of manipulative drivel with a dash of victim card while holding an entire community hostage until you get your way? Hmmm?
"I'm not attacking anyone" he says.
"I don't care about your opinions" he says, after scrambling around trying to tell people not to listen, in fear of being, found out.
LOL. You are so full of shit. Thanks for the laugh. Have a nice day.
“Prominent”=nobody loves me more than me. Just ask me.
White boi
Great post, keep exposing these maggots.
I have pulled 250k HP out of Hive in the past 6 months, due to this downvoting.
Sadly the platform is being destroyed from within, and i am now using and investing in bastyon and blurt, as well as verbrainium.
For me, Hive is all over. If you use the #vyb tag i can give you a proper upvote, but my Hive votes are worthless now.
Thank you for coming forward and showing how what I'm saying is no BS. People really don't want to believe this to be true. But sadly it is 100% true. They all need to be fired immediately. See you on one of the other platforms.
Hey @frot. Just a friendly heads-up. You might want to cancel that remaining powerdown. You'll need those resource credits in order to comment, post, follow, and vote, etc., on #vyb. If you drain it to zero, you've screwed yourself; hard.
i'm only draining it to 50 - that should be enough to keep me running
its just a last fuck you to the hive insiders...
I doubt your arch nemesis evil villains even care. If anything you're probably doing them a service LOL
I don't think 50 is enough though. You're already down to 90% with what you have after that burst up quick upvotes (POB? ;)
That'll take 12 hours to fully charge. Yeah I'd say you're screwing yourself.
Oh well, I can drip feed it back as needed, I still have over 5k liquid in another account.
It's all a bit symbolic anyway.
I'm not allowed to enter the library or many other places such as cafe's, because I'm not carrying papers to prove I'm pumped full of toxins, so having low credits on Hive is not a major!
Wtf? You're a dick in one space and friendly in another? How many people are living inside that noggin of yours?
But okay if you got it figured out, good. I'd say I wouldn't want to see you fuck yourself but after what you said to me over in the other space, I pretty much regret giving a shit about you.
So anyway. Fuck you. Have a nice day. See you next time.
Dude, being dicks is role playing isn't it? - anyway, I thought we were role playing, please tell me you're not taking this personally...
Me take it personally? No dude. Slides off. Unlike your true colors. Those are kind of stuck to you.
Nice spin though. Try to make yourself look good as you step on people. Your act needs work though. You don't come across as a fake dick, so I won't call you a dildo. You do look like one though, I'll give you that.
I'm in a good mood with Canucks at the moment, pretty awesome aye?
Except you not so much...
Yeah see. You just proved you were full of shit. But I knew that.
And I always liked Kiwis, just not the fruits, like you.
Yes, now you have solid proof
You being one of those Truther types, I must make you proud. Did my own research and everything!
Yes, I'm very proud of you, you are manly too, in woodsman way, as well as being a great communicator, a great researcher, and you are friendly with all the coolest people on Hive. You are godlike.
Friendly with everyone, most days, yup. I can't help it people are cool. That's their fault. No need to worship me though. Hardly godlike. No need to start kissing my ass.
I have just cancelled the power down and I'll put it back up to 100HP because I like round numbers and can't be bothered checking if my credits are low.
We are both total dickheads and now we have left proof for everyone to see
Here is an ass to kiss:
No. You're a dickhead. I'm simply responding to one, by being a dickhead in return, since that's the only language dickheads speak, and I wanted to be able to get through to you, so you understand, how much of a dickhead you are.
It slides off dude. But you might need 200 HP because it was really easy to sit here, keep you talking, and watch you drain those RCs. If you're not careful, I might do it again someday... ;)
I've got that album, the cramps were awesome
Something new I found, not even 4000 views yet...
They sound like angry chipmunks on speed
Yeah, but I like the chorus.
Since you like Canada:
You guys need to get a room already. It's clear there is something magical just waiting to be released between the two of you.
Our magic goes way back, and knows no bounds.
I highly recommend everyone just hit play to this while reading this thread.
That's what it's there for. lol
Although the title and writing style is dramatic, and I don't fully know the situation, I can sympathize about these types of things.
There isn't much if any accountability on "who watches the watchers".
I am still unclear on the situation here.
Someone has said he was farming content, what does that mean? Does that mean simply copying and pasting it from Hive to Steem? I'm not sure why everybody wouldn't do that, if you wrote the article you would cross post the exact same article to all your socials like Medium/Hive/Steem/Wordpress/and other blogging platforms.
What am I missing here?
You're not missing anything it's just super hard to understand the extremely low IQ.
@guiltyparties aka SPIN DOCTOR is trying to smooth things over with me on discord at the moment, yet refuses to address this, and keeps trying to change the topic. Talk about a piece of shit. They all should be fired immediately.
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Repost? What is repost? These are you own damn words you used to attack me:
Copying and pasting previous posts or significant parts of them could be seen as spam when:
Show me a post where I did not add additional original content, that meaning at least eight to twelve new photos each post. Common sense tells me I should have been doing this and it would have been a lot less effort:
https://hive.blog/hive-194913/@armentor/golden-hour-california-sunsets-280
or this
https://hive.blog/hive-194913/@bobinson/little-one
Please explain how 10 new photos in each post is a "repost" again....
I never tried to fool anyone. I just thought it would be better to leave the paragraphs in in case the viewer wanted a little extra besides the photos. Sorry for offering extra! I should have just done the above, one photo and a sentence and this would never have happened!
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Wow, it smells like shit in here. Breath deeply, and wait for it....there's more.
You should use a litter box then.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
After reading all the comments, I feel it's a complicated situation.
Any decentralised network like Hive will never be perfect and we must work our way around to make the most of web3 social communities with a long term mindset.
So are you ok, with clear cut sadist in charge of policing the platform? I mean it's like having pedophiles in the classroom teaching kindergartners. What they are doing is incredibly damaging to the platform. With a little common business sense in the top 20 witness positions, hive should already be a top 100 alt coin. I don't know about you but I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving my money here when law enforcement is patrolled by dark entity sadist. It's clear as day to me what's going on and a lot of other people too, maybe you need to look into this matter more. Frankly I'm surprised you are so passive about it, while having such a large stake.
I also received a minus from these people. And didn't get a single comment from them. All this is bad for Hive and its users.
Real life extremely wealthy satanist are in full control of the platform after consolidating power through several means including the hivewatchers group. I would highly recommend not participating in a system run by satanist and remove your investment before their next manipulated price dump, leaving the clueless HIVE superfans holding the bag and stunned like they were in early 2018.
Wow did your post get downvoted by the bullies?
My condolenses to you. I'm new here and am shocked to read something like this.
I thought this blockchain and the community was in harmony with each other! Dang!
Hoping this message finds you well!
He was caught recycling content trying to get paid more than once for it, don't fall for his bs.
Oh...wow...a lotta politics in this place...damn...sorry for prying...
Some people abuse the trust of others and take advantage of it. It's fairly common when money is involved.
Here's another angle you may want to consider... I left some thoughts about this black and white line of thinking...
https://peakd.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/re-jordand89-r724fl
By the way!
Welcome to the Hive Blockchain! 🙂
I wish that everyone would start focusing on what we have in common rather than what we have in contention... buuuut here we are! sigh!
@wil.metcalfe
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Hey Comet Ranker! Thanks for the welcoming words! There's a lot to learn here on HIVE so i appreciate any support i can get.
Yes, we must focus on community, this is what we have in common, rather than bickering and letting the ego get in the way.
Hoping this message finds you well and that you'll pop round to my page sometime! Looking forward to chatting with you again.
Stay safe and may the spirit of magic stay with you always!
This is really sad to read mate, I have noticed many wrong things with this platform and how many people have had the same or similar experience, especially in the last months, downvoting has become the new normal, it seems they want to get rid of people who have been here longer. I have been posting a lot less due to that, I thought hive was a platform that will not be censoring content (which clearly isn't the case because by down voting stuff they dont agree with, means they want to censor it in a way). I came to hive as I started seeing how social media is the most toxic place, to brainwash people and control them, censor and spread lies and fake news and had a lot higher expectations from hive and though this would be a good place to be, get involved with a non-toxic community and do what I enjoy doing - writing content and read others posts, especially when it comes to traveling. I know I haven't been over here that long, but I know how much effort you put into this and your posts have been consistent and obviously you've built a good reputation among the community. What they are doing is criminal and I'm sorry it's come to this. You deserve better than that! Karma however always takes care of those doing the wrong thing, and it's quite safe to say that hive wont last much longer with this type of behaviour. Without people putting content on, they've got nothing.
Thanks for all the content and all your efforts you've made over the years though, love your stuff!
Thank you so much for taking the time. This is such a well written note, and I know your thoughts are shared by far more than they would prefer us to believe. Thank you for standing up and speaking out. -Dan